Talk:List of sovereign states by date of formation
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UK: Date of current form of government should be 1707, not 1922
[edit]I don't think it's correct to say that the United Kingdom's current form of government was formed in 1922, with the independence of (most of the island of) Ireland. The government before and after 1922 was functionally the same, with the same constitution, practices, etc, just with a large chunk of territory lost. The Acts of Union between Scotland and England(+Wales) was what actually formed the current system of government. An argument could be made that the current form of government relies on a Prime Minister, so then the current form of government would be 1721.
The UK's situation is unclear, but regardless I don't think picking 1922 as the date of the current form of government makes much sense 143.167.240.144 (talk) 02:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- The UK along with its Government were created in 1801. CicolasMoon (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
The second table lists its date of last subordination as 1266, not 1066. I think this is a typo as nothing else on the page seems to give an event for that year. (In 1265 the Magna Carta was reaffirmed, does not see: to fit). I will change it to 1066, but if that's not what it should be please correct me but also add an entry to the right hand column explaining what important transition did happen on that date. Mrflip (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
A quick summary of proposed changes
[edit]Much of what i'm going to say has been raised already, so I wanted to make this thread to summarise the changes and see if there were any objections. Proposed changes:
1. Either remove 'Date of acquisition of sovereignty' (which i think @Vegan416 had said they would do). Or I can add text to clarify that it's explicitly referring to the creation of the current version of that state and update the dates accordingly. I'm a fan of the latter here, since the chart seems to capture the important bits (e.g. UK sovereignty 1707, date of current government = 1922)
This is for two reasons:
- First, the top of the article clearly states: "This list includes the 195 states which are currently member states of the United Nations or non-member observer states with the United Nations General Assembly. This does not include extinct states, but does include several states with limited recognition." "Extinct States" links to an article that has every non-current state, from ancient Egypt through to USSR. It's redundant and unnecessary to refer to the the '
- Second, it's a contentious/propaganda tool (is modern Cambodia closely tied to the Khmer empire listed? Is an ancient Israel connected to a modern one? Vegan mentioned language but that was resurrected in the 19th century. Why is Egypt only 1922, even though Coptic is still used in some communities? etc, etc)
-Third, it's misleading. The article is about modern nation-states, and it's absurd for a user to see that Israel has been around since 1300bce while Egypt appears to only exist from 1922 onward.
2. Rename article to 'List of (modern, current, something) sovereign states by date of formation'
This is to make it more explicit that this article is a list of current nation-states and not meant as a historical look 178.25.72.42 (talk) 23:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to delete this column, but it turns out to be very difficult to do without messing up the formatting of the tables, so I gave it up as not worth the trouble. I agree to your suggestion as long as it is done CONSISTENTLY, and I'll watch for it. Anyway just a small correction. Hebrew was never a dead language. It's true that there were long period where it didn't serve as an everyday language, but it never ceased to be a literary language, and was often the only way that Jews from different countries could communicate with each other. Vegan416 (talk) 06:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Canada (Creation of Nunavut)
[edit]Hi,
Why in "Date of territorial modification" for Canada we read the creation of Nunavut (1999)? This was only a matter of internal divisions within Canada and did not affect in any way the borders of Canada. I don't think the column should mention any internal divisions. — Riba (talk) 16:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Algeria
[edit]connecting Algeria to the establishment of Numidia in 200 BC is absurd. Furius (talk) 01:24, 18 January 2025 (UTC)