Talk:Fairy chess piece
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Pieces with different movement and capturing rules
[edit]What about the cannon from Chinese Chess (moves like a rook; captures by jumping over a single piece (friendly or enemy))? I thought that there were a lot of nonstandard pieces that had different movement rules and capturing rules? Shouldn't they be listed here?
- The cannon from xiangqi, in my experience, is normally called a pao in the context of chess variants played on a chessboard (as opposed to the context of xiangqi, when the name is usually translated). I'll add a cross-reference.
- This isn't an exhaustive list by any means - of course there's a lot of other pieces that can be added. If you can add things, please do. There are already various pieces that capture different to how they move, however - the pao, vao, mao and leo are all listed. --Camembert
As a general note: I've written this with reference to fairly scattered sources, and I'm not an expert, so it's possible quite a few things aren't clear (or even just wrong). If so, do point them out. --Camembert
Zigs and Zags
[edit]About this:
- Zag-Zag: a piece which can move vertically or along the NE-SW diagonal.
and all the other zigs and zags: the descriptions are too vague, as they don't say how far these pieces can move. Can they move any distance (like riders) or is it just one square (or some other number of squres) in the direction indicated (like leapers)? I'd like to fix the article, but I don't think I've ever come across these pieces myself. --Camembert
These 4 pieces are capable of straightline movements on geometrically-contiguous square spaces of unlimited range. In other words, they are all riders. Sorry, I neglected to be explicit. Without vigilance, familiarity breeds vagueness. Fergus Duniho at the Chess Variant Pages told me he has never seen this class of pieces used anywhere except within several of the games comprising the Symmetrical Chess Collection. Please check it out. --OmegaMan
Notation for non-rectangular boards
[edit]Someone has established a convention on Wikipedia of describing piece movements upon 2-dimensional gameboards via a pair of positive integer coordinates. To be sure, this is decently clear and accurate. However, it should be noted (yet is not) that this system is implicitly being applied to square-spaced gameboards.
Although geometrically-contiguous square-spaced gameboards so based are by far the most prevalent, chess variants have been invented which play upon geometrically-contiguous gameboards which are triangle-spaced and hexagon-spaced as well.
I do not wish to clutter-up a concise, understandable description by fully explaining all of this yet I feel it should be mentioned somewhere. So, I would value the advice of an experienced editor on this point. --OmegaMan
- I don't really have much experience of non-square-spaced boards (I'm not even sure whether I would call games using other types of spaces "fairy chess" games at all, rather than just "board games", but maybe that's just me). I hope we won't scrap the (1,2) type notation, since, as you say, it's easy to understand, but of course, if you want to write a bit about other shaped-spaces, go ahead. --Camembert
Chinese pieces
[edit]The article claims it's going to explain "Chinese pieces" at one point, but never defines this term.
- Yes it does, in the list near the end: "Chinese pieces: a collective name for pieces derived from units found in xiangqi, the Chinese form of chess. The most common Chinese pieces are the leo, pao...". --Camembert
Discovered versus invented
[edit]I think it's better to say a piece was invented rather than discovered. Things that already existed are discovered (like South America) while things that are made up (like the light bulb) are invented.
Proposed creation of a Unicorn (chess) page
[edit]This article briefly explains how the unicorn piece in 3D chess moves. This is my first time hearing about 3D chess and it's a subject that I found interesting, so I tried to understand it. However, after having read the section talking about the unicorn over and over and over, I still don't get it at all; it makes no sense. Considering how unique the piece is when compared to all the other fairy chess pieces and the fact that it is vital to 3D chess variants like Raumschach (like, it's an actual main piece of the game), I think it deserves its own page, probably more than giraffe and zebra do. If it had its own page, one could actually write a lengthier, proper explanation that'd allow people like me (who are seeing this for the first time) to actually understand it. 186.212.6.138 (talk) 18:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't really what a split proposal is for. A longer explanation on that piece may well be worth adding to Wikipedia if notable, but a split proposal would only be relevant if that content were already in existence here and were so long as to be impractical to just include here, which is not currently the case. PointlessUsername (talk) 16:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
- Re the Raumschach unicorn, there are diagrams showing example moves both in this article and at 3D chess § Raumschach; and the explanation at the 3D chess article seems clear enough. What seems to be the comprehension issue? --IHTS (talk) 08:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- The unicorn is a (1,1,1)-rider, just as the bishop is a (1,1)-rider. Double sharp (talk) 07:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Etymology
[edit]There's no etymology. How did the word "fairy" come in? Do we even know? If it's too short, put it as one sentence is the introduction. (My comment is worded like an essay question LOL.) 2601:C2:A00:9310:D95D:8957:6CBB:71A4 (talk) 20:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- According to this article by Geoff Foster and Bob Meadley, the term "Fairy Chess" appears to have first been used by Henry Tate in The Australasian on June 20th, 1914. Wikipedia's article on Henry Tate seems to corroborate this, but without any citation.
- Anyway, here's the link to Tate's column. Edderiofer (talk) 08:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Fairy chess diagrams?
[edit]Curious as to how to make the fairy chess diagrams as shown here. Any help? PLMMJ (talk) 13:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Solved, there's a template for it apparently. PLMMJ (talk) 14:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)